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gordonn
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    12/06/05 at 04:42 AMReply with quote#1

Pot one
Germany (hosts)
Brazil (holders)
Argentina
England
France
Italy
Mexico
Spain

Pot two
Australia
Angola
Ghana
Ivory Coast
Togo
Tunisia
Ecuador
Paraguay

pot three
Croatia
Czech Republic
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine

Pot four
Iran
Japan
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
Costa Rica
Trinidad & Tobago
US
Special pot: Sebria & Montenegro


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    12/06/05 at 04:45 AMReply with quote#2

The US Pot ought to get a lot of coverage on CNN. Very clever


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    12/06/05 at 05:46 AMReply with quote#3

Special pot ... hmmm, nope, I remember Acapulco, Humboldt, Maui, plus of course home-grown which rarely was special at all, but not Serbian.

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    12/06/05 at 07:00 AMReply with quote#4

Doesn't look like any surprises in this.  They stuck with the patterns from the prior WC's, with the top seeded teams coming from the FIFA "formula" that uses rankings from prior WC's and their monthly FIFA world rankings.

 

Mexico does get the seed, while Netherlands doesn't.

 

Asian and CONCACAF teams put in same pot.

 

African and South American teams placed together in same pot (plus Aussie).

 

8 Euro teams together in a pot.

 

The special pot for Serbia and Montenegro is because there were 9 Euro teams not seeded.  S&M, the lowest ranked Euro team, will get placed with either Brazil, Argentina, or Mexico to ensure that no final group of 4 has more than 2 Euro teams in it.

 

US cannot be placed in Mexico's group.  It would also be nice to avoid whatever group the Netherlands gets put into, as that would be the leading contender for a Group of Death.


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    12/06/05 at 08:32 AMReply with quote#5

Hey, we survived a group of death last time with SK, Portugal and Poland.

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    12/06/05 at 08:36 AMReply with quote#6

Guess US hopes to be grouped with Spain.     
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    12/06/05 at 08:39 AMReply with quote#7

Maby it will be good for holland in the end but i think they deserve to be there before spain!!!!

 

about US I dont think FiFa should consider politics so much if Iran doesn't show up for a match it is their on problem!!!

but the europian wxxxxrs from uefa are what they are. anyway it is unfair to US.

 

For all my friends from Canada I really think you can do more than watch Costa Rica in WCF...Better Luck next time Hopefully. Soccer can be really good In Canada. there are many good fields. Hockey and Soccer are very similar. But my cosine told me that even in the hockey there are many good players that come from the very cold part were the have snow all the year and nothing better to do than play hockey i.e. "the streets".


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    12/06/05 at 10:32 AMReply with quote#8

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=351289&cc=5901
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    12/06/05 at 10:20 PMReply with quote#9

 

Well its official... Mexico becomes the first non euro/south american team to be seeded while not being the host.  I was woundering if FIFA would sneak in the economic factor clause to screw them out of it... but luckily they respected their own system.

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    12/07/05 at 05:57 AMReply with quote#10

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Well its official... Mexico becomes the first non euro/south american team to be seeded while not being the host. 

 

I agree, it's good to see.  And if it wasn't for the '98 debacle, it would probably have been the U.S. breaking through. 

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    12/07/05 at 08:20 AMReply with quote#11

Congratulations to Mexico...

 

What I still cannot understand is the relevance of a result 8 years ago.  The coaches and players change.

 

France probably had one of the best midfields of recent memory during the '98 WC (Zindane, Petit, DeChamps, and Djorkaef).  However, 3 of the 4 are retired. 

 

The US and Mexico should always qualify based on CONCACAF, but teams like Holland, Czech Republic, and even Spain have to fight tooth and nail to get accepted. 

 

Although Europe is much tougher, why should a team that had to go through a home and home series get a seed?   

 

 

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    12/07/05 at 01:18 PMReply with quote#12

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Well its official... Mexico becomes the first non euro/south american team to be seeded while not being the host.  I was woundering if FIFA would sneak in the economic factor clause to screw them out of it... but luckily they respected their own system.

 

Heck, I was thinking that might be what helped get them the seed. The TV ratings in that country will be huge if Mexico goes far. If I remember correctly, the deal the mexican networks recently cut with FIFA was far more lucrative than the one from ESPN/ABC that was announced the same day.

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    12/07/05 at 01:48 PMReply with quote#13

You have to admit that futbol in Mexico is far more viewed and far more popular than here in the USA. Example, if the USA team plays on "x" day and the bears or bulls, cubs or sox play the same day, the newspapers give the USA team may be half of a page while the others get 4 to 5 pages each. TV the same, not enough coverage unless they play against Mexico and that is only because our hispanic tv stations are transmitting the game. Sure USA is growing in youth soccer, but as far as the National Team is concern they fall short. Just a personal opinion.


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    12/07/05 at 06:31 PMReply with quote#14

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Heck, I was thinking that might be what helped get them the seed. The TV ratings in that country will be huge if Mexico goes far. If I remember correctly, the deal the mexican networks recently cut with FIFA was far more lucrative than the one from ESPN/ABC that was announced the same day.



Nope Mexico was one of the formula teams... FIFA shouldn't have been so ambigious about what formula they would use, but at the end of the day they used the same one that they have used in previous occasions. 
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    12/08/05 at 06:59 AMReply with quote#15

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Hey, we survived a group of death last time with SK, Portugal and Poland.

Muz

 

good one

 

 


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    12/09/05 at 07:39 AMReply with quote#16

The record says it all

Games Played between Mexico and USA in WC Qualifications 23 games

 

Mexico                           USA

Wins: 14                        Wins:4

Loses: 4                        Loses:14

Ties:5                           Ties:5

Goals: 63                       Goals :26                    


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    12/09/05 at 07:53 AMReply with quote#17

Hilarious.

Hey guess what, the US, used to be an English Colony, 250 years ago.

Get with the times my friend. Let go, its over.

Why don't you give us the result for the last 7 games????

How about the last game?

???

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    12/09/05 at 07:58 AMReply with quote#18

Eriksson wants to avoid Holland, United States


Sven-Goran Eriksson has named Holland, and the United States as the duo he would like England to avoid in this evening's World Cup draw

 from soccernet
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    12/09/05 at 08:40 AMReply with quote#19

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Eriksson wants to avoid Holland, United States

A bit misleading in that all this means is that Eriksson views the U.S. as the class of pot #4. There may well be teams in pot #2 who worry him more, and certainly there are in pot #3.

 

Still, it's a step up from '02, when every team was hoping to be placed in the U.S. pool.

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    12/09/05 at 08:47 AMReply with quote#20

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Eriksson wants to avoid Holland, United States


Sven-Goran Eriksson has named Holland, and the United States as the duo he would like England to avoid in this evening's World Cup draw

 from soccernet

In addition to JohnR's good points, let me add that England has ALREADY successfully avoided MEXICO before the draw.  Some minor point within the rules about Mexico getting a seed...  


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