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Oldtimer

Registered: 03/04/04
Posts: 3,084
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So one of a club's assistant DOC is scheduled to become the select level coach next year when the U10's become U11's.  This person has worked with this one team occasionally, sometimes shows up for games.  The team is the state rec champion and many of the coming year's "A" team players are there.

Yesterday was the final match for these kids against the arch rivals.  The asst DOC shows up, starts giving instructions to the kids on the field (something that has not happened before), eventually just takes over from the two coaches who have developed this team from U-little.  Doesn't ask about doing it, just does it.

Ever happened to you?  Have you seen it?  Have you ever been in a position where you've done it?  What do you think?

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edfordham

Registered: 05/30/05
Posts: 5,316
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I do it to others, don't mean to but just jump in and take over.

 

Perhaps mine is a little different as I coach the kids year round and jump in on top of parent volunteers or coaches, who know the kids but don't coach them.

 

I think, at least in my case, it is simply a feeling of being able to contribute something extra to the team's performance, no egos, so I think it depends how it is percieved?

 

I allow parents and coaches to add things from the side lines so I guess I have just set up a less rigid environment?

 

I can see how it would offend guys who have a better knowledge of the players and teams but then why is the club structured in such a way that this so called higher being can be allowed to do this?

 

I don't care how good a coach you are, if you don't know the kids you can't come in cold and do a better job than guys who have been there for a number of years.

 

 

 

 

Jordi

Registered: 04/13/10
Posts: 1,199
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He's not the coach, so he has no right to "coach" the team from the sideline.
As DOC (or Assistant to DOC), his role is to help the other coaches; also, he has to watch matches of all the teams of the club (or the ones he's appointed to observe by the DOC). If he observes something wrong he has to say it to the coach of the team, but when the match is stopped/finished, and not in front of the players, because acting in the way he's doing, the authority of the coach dissapears.


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go1

Registered: 03/08/06
Posts: 199
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I agree with Jordi.  Soccer organizations are so loose and different on responsibilities of a DOC, that it wouldn't surprise me to see this happen - and I suppose that if you were set up the way I think Ed is describing - then Ed is really the "coach" it seems. 

 

Personally, I think the DOC is supposed to be there to help the coach, not the team - so if he really wanted to help, then he could make suggestions(preferrably before or after the game), but if he felt the need to do so during a game, then during the game I suppose - but I think it should be directly to the coach, outside the hearing of the players - so it wouldn't undermine their authority with the team (whether its a parent, volunteer, or professional coach - regardless of the status, you still want the players to respect the person who is supposed to be the authority figure of the team). 

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Registered: 06/06/05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldtimer
So one of a club's assistant DOC is scheduled to become the select level coach next year when the U10's become U11's.  This person has worked with this one team occasionally, sometimes shows up for games.  The team is the state rec champion and many of the coming year's "A" team players are there.

Yesterday was the final match for these kids against the arch rivals.  The asst DOC shows up, starts giving instructions to the kids on the field (something that has not happened before), eventually just takes over from the two coaches who have developed this team from U-little.  Doesn't ask about doing it, just does it.

Ever happened to you?  Have you seen it?  Have you ever been in a position where you've done it?  What do you think?


Happened once to me, club's doc. If looks good kill, he'd be dead. Took him aside and told him to sit down and be quiet. PERIOD! This was maybe 6 years ago, he apologized after the game, we were friends before game and still are. He understood.

I see it plenty of times, it usually happens when there is a trophy/promotion on the line that brings out the "big" shots. Looking for a picture opportunity, I guess. All of  a sudden they cannot let the coach finish something he started. I find it to be very disrespectful.

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winnipegcoach

Registered: 01/03/08
Posts: 205
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Seen it happen quite often, gross bad manners to undermine a coach and take over like that,

if there is a pre existing understanding that when you are there you will pitch in, its ok.
MrSoccer

Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 8,736
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Then your going to love this. Does not seem to happen to much anymore maybe that is why the club is losing more games now then it did when I coached with them.

 

My fellow coaches with our club would all sit together at our home games and watch each others games. We knew each other players.

 

So if one of us saw something that we did not like with a game we were watching. He would bring it up and we all would discuss it among ourselves. Frankly it was a lot of fun for us.

 

Then if as a goup we thought it was a big deal. One of us would go down to the field and mention it to the coach during the game. Whether the coach wanted to hear it or not. He knew he was being watched. When he was not doing a game he was doing it with us as well.

 

Sometimes it got pretty interesting on that touch line.

 

Another thing we would have some wine and some cheese while we watched the games. Some parents didn't like us doing that. But we put the time in not them.


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edfordham

Registered: 05/30/05
Posts: 5,316
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Mr S, you had a boot room!

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