SoccercoachB
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| | 03/14/10 at 10:09 PM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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The set up says 1 ball 12 players but the explanation has two balls.
I'm not sure what this activity does. So you've got passing and moving and then you've got a player basicly going from player to play to player with the ball.
Would you use this?
Activity #2
Set Up:
Progression from previous activity. 1 ball between 12 players.
Diagram (b)
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Explanation:
One player starts of with the ball and passes it to any player and follows there pass One player starts of with the ball and passes it to any player recieves it back and then passes it to a player either side of the 1st player they passed it to.
Coaching Points: - All players on there toes
- Good quality passing and movement
- Maintain high tempo
- Communicate at all times
Activity #3
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Ned
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| | 03/14/10 at 10:40 PM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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It's not very well explained but I think it's giving 2 variations using the same setup. So it probably is 1 ball between 12 players - just 2 different activities.
I have used similar activities for a passing warm-up. You can also use multiple balls.
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SteveM
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| | 03/15/10 at 03:39 AM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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I believe it's two activities in one diagram.
If I understand activity 2 correctly, you have 1 player static in the center with the rest of the team static in a circle around him/her. The ball is then passed back and forth around the circle. So, the outside players get to touch the ball maybe once every two minutes and there is no player movement whatsoever.
The activity has virtually no value in terms of multiple ball touches for technical improvement nor as a warm-up activity.
Did this come from thoughtfulsoccer.com?
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CVAL
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| | 03/15/10 at 04:06 AM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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I am not a big fan of putting the team in a big circle.
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irnmadn88
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| | 03/15/10 at 04:18 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by CVAL
I am not a big fan of putting the team in a big circle.
Why not? I have used it to train central midfield players to find options.
4-4-2:
............F................F............. M.......................................M ............CM........CM............. D........................................D .............CD.........CD............
4-5-1 (4-1-4-1):
......................F...................... M........................................M ..............AM......AM............. ....................DM................... D........................................D ...............CD.......CD............
4-5-1 (4-2-3-1):
.....................F....................... M........................................M ....................AM.................... ............DM.........DM............. D.........................................D .............CD............CD...........
I'll even mark out a grid in the middle and play 2v1 (top), or 3v1 or 3v2 (bottom) and include the in/out interchange of players... Also works well in beginning to train switching through midfield as part of the progression following the technical section in getting the players to use turns and to communicate when the turn is on...
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JimN
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| | 03/15/10 at 06:25 AM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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If this is a technical exercise, we can be more efficient than this exercise.
If this is about team shapes as irnmdn88 mentions, it has some use, but the coaching points need to point toward the system of play, the roles and expectations of players in positions, and some basic patterns that are expected.
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AttackingMid
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| | 03/15/10 at 06:42 AM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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I use a variation of #1 for younger or lower skilled players, but the coaching point is completely different: I want to encourage speed of play by forcing the players to look, decide, receive, play rather than the common practice of receive, look, decide, play.
I accomplish this by requiring the players to: while the ball is on its way, the player must look around the circle, find someone "open", call out their name BEFORE their first touch, then receive with one touch and play to that player with their second touch. I start with one ball, but quickly add multiple balls to make the decision-making harder.
I am a firm believer that one of the huge differences between good and poor players is the ability to look, decide, receive, play. I have seen players of very average ability improve their effectiveness dramatically by focusing on this aspect until it became habitual. It will drastically reduce purposeless kicks and other turnovers.
Otherwise, as others said, I see little value in this exercise as a pure skill development exercise. Though it could be improved greatly by adding several interior players with an equal number of balls - say 4-5 interior players with 7-8 perimeter players.
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| | 03/15/10 at 06:48 AM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by CVAL
I am not a big fan of putting the team in a big circle.
I don't do it often but I have used similar activities (with different passing patterns) for pre-game warm-ups when we're waiting for the previous game to end and space is very tight around the field.
Here's a keepaway version:
It can be fun playing a 1 or 2 touch keepaway game (ball can't stop) in a circle. I typically divide the squad into multiple teams of 2. One team of 2 will be in the middle on defense and they need to touch the ball to get out. Every time they get "split" by a pass, it adds to the number of touches they need to get out of the middle. It teaches the 2 defenders to work together to pressure/cover, not get split, and force the next pass to be predictable. This one is not particularly mobile for the players forming the circle (although it's hard work for the 2 defenders). Girls seem to like this one as it allows them time to chat and bond (which is important to them) while they are playing.
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| | 03/15/10 at 07:42 AM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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I suse a similar variation. Say 12 players on the circle, 4 or 5 with a ball. If you have a ball you dribble to the center, make a move on one of 4 to 5 cones in the middle, then pass to an outside player. You replace the outside player. When passing to player you can use different passing combinations like wall pass, one touch back and forth, etc.
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TheGiss
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| | 03/15/10 at 07:54 AM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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We also do a number of circle drills-- my favorite is to set up four corner flags in a 1 yard square in the center of a 20 yeard circle. Players are arranged along the outside. One starts with ball, dribbles and must do a change of direction through the gates, gain control, pass to a teammate and then take their spot on the circumference. Reciveing teammate does the same. We add balls until we have 5-6-7-8 girls going at once...a lot of movement, must get their heads up since there are minimal gate options and lots of bodies going though, etc.
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| | 03/15/10 at 09:23 AM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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I use #1 as part of a pre-game warm-up. For this stage I want to get them passing and running, so I'm more interested in the gradual build-up in intensity rather than using it as a skills drill.
You can't beat a circle for a quick set-up.
#2 intrigues me, though. As it's described I don't think it's very useful. But how about this as a combination of #1 and #2:
Player A has the ball. Players B and C are at different points in the circle, not next to one another.
Player A passes the ball across the circle to player B. Player A then runs to the center of the circle where he receives it back from player B and then passes the ball to player C. Player C starts the process over while player A takes player C's place.
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colinbell
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| | 03/15/10 at 09:31 AM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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Why would you have 12 players standing on the outside and 1 working on the inside
This means that if the players average 1 minute in the middle then the 12th player to go in would have been standing for 11 mins!!
What are they learning from that?
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irnmadn88
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| | 03/15/10 at 09:44 AM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by colinbell
Why would you have 12 players standing on the outside and 1 working on the inside
This means that if the players average 1 minute in the middle then the 12th player to go in would have been standing for 11 mins!!
What are they learning from that?
If just only working the circle drill with no tactical component...
I would use only one ball for one minute in order to get the point across, then add more balls so that there are more repetitions... then maybe add if one player ends up with two balls on the outside of the circle, then the group does 5 push ups, sit ups, etc...
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CVAL
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| | 03/15/10 at 10:15 AM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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how many times do you play soccer in a big circle? So why would you practice in a cirlce?
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irnmadn88
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| | 03/15/10 at 10:25 AM | Reply with quote | #15 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by CVAL
how many times do you play soccer in a big circle? So why would you practice in a cirlce?
And how often does a 4-4-2 look like this:
.......F..........F...... M......M.....M.....M .D.....D.....D.....D.
As I tell the kids, positions are only relative to starting position. Ditto for an activity with starting positions set up in a circle.
A lot of my coaching points are based on movement and cues for movement. Cones are only there as guides not fixed positions... (they aren't on the field either.)
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| | 03/15/10 at 11:18 AM | Reply with quote | #16 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by irnmadn88Quote: Originally Posted by CVAL
how many times do you play soccer in a big circle? So why would you practice in a cirlce?
And how often does a 4-4-2 look like this:
.......F..........F...... M......M.....M.....M .D.....D.....D.....D.
As I tell the kids, positions are only relative to starting position. Ditto for an activity with starting positions set up in a circle.
A lot of my coaching points are based on movement and cues for movement. Cones are only there as guides not fixed positions... (they aren't on the field either.)
Never which is why I would never design activities like that. I do like your answer about cues for movement but shape is important to the keys and cues for movement which is not a circle.
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| | 03/15/10 at 12:19 PM | Reply with quote | #17 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by irnmadn88Quote: Originally Posted by colinbell
Why would you have 12 players standing on the outside and 1 working on the inside
This means that if the players average 1 minute in the middle then the 12th player to go in would have been standing for 11 mins!!
What are they learning from that?
If just only working the circle drill with no tactical component...
I would use only one ball for one minute in order to get the point across, then add more balls so that there are more repetitions... then maybe add if one player ends up with two balls on the outside of the circle, then the group does 5 push ups, sit ups, etc...
Can you elaborate - I'm having difficulty seeing any tactical component when players are standing in a circle...
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| | 03/15/10 at 12:21 PM | Reply with quote | #18 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by colinbell
Why would you have 12 players standing on the outside and 1 working on the inside
This means that if the players average 1 minute in the middle then the 12th player to go in would have been standing for 11 mins!!
What are they learning from that?
Even worse - since the inside player can choose to pass to the left or the right of the last receiver, there may be outside players who don't even touch the ball during those 11 minutes |
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| | 03/15/10 at 12:40 PM | Reply with quote | #19 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by CVAL
how many times do you play soccer in a big circle? So why would you practice in a cirlce?
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| | 03/15/10 at 12:41 PM | Reply with quote | #20 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by SteveMQuote: Originally Posted by colinbell
Why would you have 12 players standing on the outside and 1 working on the inside
This means that if the players average 1 minute in the middle then the 12th player to go in would have been standing for 11 mins!!
What are they learning from that?
Even worse - since the inside player can choose to pass to the left or the right of the last receiver, there may be outside players who don't even touch the ball during those 11 minutes |
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