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MrSoccer

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When our under 19 won the state cup. I let them play a friendly against my adult team. So they can get used to the adult game. We would just try to isolate our best 1v1 players against them. When we did our players beat there 1/1 even their 2 against our 1.

Game was not even close and our u 19 a very good side.

It also showed them what a difference a good captain can make on the field.

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I just finished watching Portugal/Czech...if I counted correctly, Czech used three different players to 'try' and mark Ronaldo...FAIL!
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Excellent point Billy.There seems to be a tactical blindspot in the modern game re man to man marking.Thats exactly why it could be effective!!

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And again on Ronaldo's goal the defender caught ball watching and not looking for that Ronaldo guy behind him that may make a run...



The rest of the game I thought there were some good examples of covering him closely... especially when they had 5 guys around him...
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Billy, that was just a defensive error not a tactical failure but I know what you are saying generally and I agree with you.

I actually think he is pretty easy to mark. He doesn't have great movement. Point taken though from the boys who say he is hard to stay with when he does, but this is when you mix the man and the zone and you work on who gives extra coverage in different parts of the pitch. To be fair. He can have it in most areas cos he don't create much and they have no one to finish if he does do something on the odd occassion that is for anyone but him.
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I would disagree. Ronaldo's movement off the ball is excellent. It's one of his strengths in the last 2 years. 
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I saw Henri play with the red bulls play about a month ago. He stands around quite often but he will get a touch and put it on a team mates foot or he gets that touch and he is gone for a shot. Or close to goal all of sudden he breaks free as the pass is made and gets a shot on goal.

Standing around when your talented can lull the marker into relaxing. Then when that happens he is beat.

The blind side run that Ronaldo made in that video is how you move to beat a defender come inside the defender from the defender blind side so he can now see the ball with no defender in the way.

Then the next time you let the defender see you move inside. Then when the defender over compensates you get separation from behind the defender and again your open.

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(Warning...Spain vs. France Spoiler Below)











Turning this into a horrible marking thread... ESPN had a great highlight of the Alonso goal and Malouda who being a mid-fielder you'd think might try to help out the defense... they had a nice red highlight circle around him during  half-time... wish I could find that clip somewhere... anyway... here's a clip without the highlight.

Check out at 25 seconds...

(edit... non-youtube removed video here for now!)
http://www.footytube.com/video/spain-france-jun23-122193

nice walking... that sort of stuff just drives me crazy... glad they're out with that effort.

Also the left defender could of/should of been looking about/thinking about a runner... nope... ball watching.
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Malouda is not the only one who made a mistake on that goal though. What was Clichy doing? Why did Lloris stand behind him on the header?

Yes, Malouda didn't track Alonso, but it wasn't necessary. France had enough defenders in the box to deal with the incoming Xabi.
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That was a nice calm cross right on the players head. That was not man marking that was the mids not falling back.
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So I was watching C. Ronaldo making runs all over the place against the Netherlands today (even before he scored) and was wondering why they give him so much space and don't dedicate someone to mark him all around the pitch?

Seems to work well against top players in non-Pro levels...   Any thoughts?


Because you'd need at least two players to mark him

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So I was watching C. Ronaldo making runs all over the place against the Netherlands today (even before he scored) and was wondering why they give him so much space and don't dedicate someone to mark him all around the pitch?

Seems to work well against top players in non-Pro levels...   Any thoughts?


Because you'd need at least two players to mark him

Two players to mark him - one for his skills and another one for his ego.
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One more to change the light bulb.....

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Anyone thinking Pirlo after last night?

 

If this question was ever more relevant it was last night!

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