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Mike, good one. So did you ever get the situation resolved with your daughter's club?


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This particular topic is valid, IMO.  Russ made a claim that he invented these drills and that claim is being discussed.  Personally I think it is ridculous to claim that Russ is overtly stealing things and taking credit for the ideas of others, or that he is getting rich doing so.  IMO, he comes up with new names and adds some new wrinkles, then considers the new variant his invention.  Is this wrong?  I think this topic shows that very similar drills have been used prior to Russ' invention of his variants, but cannot show that he "stole" them.

 

 

Tom-  Just as an interesting note.  I design homes as a part of what I do to support my soccer addiction.  Often a prospective client will some to me with a copy of somebody elses home design that they like, but they want to make some modifications so it doesn't look like we are copying them.  But we are still essentially working from the other design to start off with.  Well guess which way the courts have ruled?  Even though I have made the modifications, it still is a copy of the original.

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CoachKev,  please don't think I intend to defend Russ.  I have shaken my head in disbelief of his writings on many occasions.  I agree whole-heartedly with your assessment of Russ' thriving on the constant non-sensical banter that takes place here.  I don't pretend to understand WHY he thrives on it,  but,  hey.... I've met a lot of unusual people in the world.  My hope is that by not "feeding the bear",  Russ and all his detractors will be led to participate in the forum in a more productive manner.

 

Also,  it appears I may have misinterpreted your statement regarding the making of money.  I respect your having been involved in the writing/publishing of books.  I will search out the forum when I have more time to see what you've done.  It is popular in modern culture to bash capitalistic pursuits,  when such pursuits are responsible for the vast majority of progress made in human existence.  It appears I incorrectly thought you were going down that path.  Sorry about that.

 

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What I get a kick out of with Russ topics on this forum is how everyone has to have the last word!  That's why his post go on forever!

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So did you ever get the situation resolved with your daughter's club?

 

When she resigned from the team of her own accord I considered the club soccer experience to have been worthwhile for her development. She found her voice.

 

As to the release issue, it's a work in progress. The big clubs pushed through some more restrictive player movement rules this year. I'm just having fun with it now.


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This particular topic is valid, IMO.  Russ made a claim that he invented these drills and that claim is being discussed.  Personally I think it is ridculous to claim that Russ is overtly stealing things and taking credit for the ideas of others, or that he is getting rich doing so.  IMO, he comes up with new names and adds some new wrinkles, then considers the new variant his invention.  Is this wrong?  I think this topic shows that very similar drills have been used prior to Russ' invention of his variants, but cannot show that he "stole" them.

 

 

Tom-  Just as an interesting note.  I design homes as a part of what I do to support my soccer addiction.  Often a prospective client will some to me with a copy of somebody elses home design that they like, but they want to make some modifications so it doesn't look like we are copying them.  But we are still essentially working from the other design to start off with.  Well guess which way the courts have ruled?  Even though I have made the modifications, it still is a copy of the original.

 

I work in computer software.  There are numerous examples of a programmer coming up with a solution to a problem only to learn that someone else has patented the concept.  ( e.g., "One-click shopping",  Blackberry, Window image caching) Often the solution is obvious.  Unfortunately many lawyers, judges, and juries are idiots regarding technology.  So using court rulings to show that a particular idea is "right"  is not very convincing to me. 

 

Could Russ prove in court that his ideas are "original"?  No, but that does not prove he knowingly stole them.

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We've called it gauntlet for as long as I've coached, and we use it as a staple to teach 1v1 defending


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If the man made money with his writings then he is ahead of the game. I buy water from people who didn't invent it.

lol..Yeah, it use to be free.  I am trying now to figure how to market and sale "clean air" for money.


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I do not care if Russ makes money on his book.  More power to him if he does.  I agree with AM  totally on this.

 

I do not like people who use this forum for promotion for money making activities.  To me that is unfair to Greg.  If you want to advertise contact Greg and support his efforts that make this possible.  I do think Russ engages in promotion, but it is not for money.

 

I freely admit to engaging in Russ bashing.  I usually start being rational pointing to the flaws or weaknesses in his concepts, but over the course of the topic as Russ refuses to answer or discuss points, and turns the discussion to himself, I feel he becomes fair game.

 

Though CB started this topic, he based it on comments Russ made on another topic.  It should be noted the topic is not about the utility of these drills, but about Russ and whether he was their creator.  As such we have by passed the first four pages of a typical topic involving a Russ creation and for once started with Russ.  I question whether that is really useful, for it really becomes directed at Russ' credibility. 

 

However, since it has started here are the truths as I see them:

 

1.  We all create activities that are new to us.  Virtually all have been created before.  Some are very well known and used by many, but are so obvious that new coaches "reinvent" them.  If this has happened to you as it did in these cases for Russ, kudos for being creative, write them down, but be careful of letting your ego run amok and claiming you "invented" them.  By making the claim all you do is offend people who have been around for years and who also either created the same activity 30 years ago or learned it from a coach who they admire. You also do little more than confirm that you did not research your claim at all or at least effectively, and have had little exposure to soccer.

 

2.  Each of Russ' drills have been around for decades.  The Run the Gauntlet activity was discussed a few years back and virtually every coach here - Keith, Kev, Willie, Mr. Soccer, Bob C. and many many others have used it by a host of names.

 

3.  To claim to be the first to have written an activity down in soccer is perilous.  There are thousands of books on drills and activities in hundreds of languages.  In 1997 Colin Schmidt wrote a book entitled Advanced Soccer Drills, which contained very similar drills and the comment on page 148 about "freeze play" to make coachable points, an item Russ claims he also first wrote.  Likewise in Success in Soccer, Basic Training, Volume 1, published by the German Futbal Association in 1997, has Russ' Run the Gauntlet as a drill they call "Crossing the River".  These are the first two books I pulled down.  I am sure with a little effort I can find others.

 

 

   


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CoachRuss-  Too late, there are already Oxygen bars in several of our larger cities (NY, LA), a trend started in the late nineties in Tokyo.  Walk in, select your flavor, and hook up to a respirator.

 

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You all know how long I've been around.  My first coaching course was with the English FA in 1967.  I've seen them all and many variants.  Added little bits of my own occasionally.  I would hazard a guess that every one of Russ'

drills are in my own free book.  Mind you, in the intro I acknowledge that

 

"better minds than mine have already found the answers and you will see that many of the exercises are based on the way in which children used to play in the street" 

 

You also know that my understanding of the game owes much to Allen Wade's Principles of Play.  An expert mentor.  I no longer engage Russ Carrington.  He acknowledges no mentors either in his early soccer education or in his engagements on this site. 

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CoachRuss-  Too late, there are already Oxygen bars in several of our larger cities (NY, LA), a trend started in the late nineties in Tokyo.  Walk in, select your flavor, and hook up to a respirator.

 

Erik

Darn..There is someone out there always smarter than me.

 

btw, 1 Billion $$ in Goggle stock for YouTube.com is crazy.  I wish I had thought of that novel ideal as well.


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What I get a kick out of with Russ topics on this forum is how everyone has to have the last word!  That's why his post go on forever!

Nailed it!!

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Russ in his book "Thoughtful Soccer" introduces to coaches a lot of fun cartoon pictures and many games.  Each game designed to teach a specific skill.  Rather than change the topic of the T3 thread,  I have started a new one based upon the claim Russ made that...   "I mention Run the Gauntlet, Ride the Bronco, and Space Cowboy as activities I've invented which could be very valuable to new coaches."  Perhaps you can help us out here Russ and cut and paste from your manuscript.  But I will start by describing "Run the Gauntlet".  Is this a Russ original?  Or just a cute name for an old game?

 

Run the Gauntlet - The setup is essentially 5 boxes stacked on top of each other.  Put a defender inside the 2nd and 4th box and can only defend in their box.  Attackers will dribble one at a time and score a point each time they get through a defenders box. 

 

 

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I used this when I first started coaching about 14 years ago so I'd love to know when Russ invented it.

 

BTW, I don't really use it now

 

Wot a larf

 


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So,  if we can dispel as a myth this "BIG problem" of Russ "making MONEY",  then can we cease filling this forum with Russ bashing?

 

AM. 

 

Russ puts himself up on a pedestal to be bashed, in fact I think he enjoys being the focus of everyone's attention.

 

 


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No, you're not. It's gotten ridiculous. I still glance for a little amusement, but for the most part don't even bother with it any more.

 

I still join in for a little amusement, forum is a bit quiet at the moment.  I know he won't ever change, I know he won't ever answer the questions asked of him, in fact I know he can't so I don't expect anything other than what he posts.  I know that if I post Russ will respond, that's part of the fun, guessing the drivel he will post

 

However Bob last night I put Russ back on my ignore list.  He tried to coax me into replying to him but I resisted - ain't I got great discipline?

 

 

 

 


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Yeah, but you know you'll give in before too long. It's just too tempting. I'll be right after you...


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Yeah, but you know you'll give in before too long. It's just too tempting. I'll be right after you...

 

No Bob because I have the full support of a self-help group called ....  Russ anonymous.

 

I attended my first meeting last night and everyone took turns to stand up and say "Hi, my name is Russ and I invented ...." and the rest you just made up

 


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2.  Each of Russ' drills have been around for decades.  The Run the Gauntlet activity was discussed a few years back and virtually every coach here - Keith, Kev, Willie, Mr. Soccer, Bob C. and many many others have used it by a host of names.

 

There is only one other person who I know might have used Run the Gauntlet prior to its publication, which was 2001 I believe.  A gentleman at a soccer camp I worked at was very much in the critic's camp, so I gave him the draft of my book.  It wouldn't surprise me if he copied it that night.  I'm trying to recall the year I began using the game, and I believe it was my son's freshman year of high school which would have been 1995 I believe.  I would be very surprised, though, if anyone anywhere in the universe independently stumbled upon this game in the form I use it: similar course dimensions, similar rules.  The odds of that seem so remote that I'd have to see it in writing to believe it.

 

It in no way feeds my ego to have been the inventor of this or that.  If someone else is doing the same thing, that's a plus.  It means soccer players are already benefiting.  This is a personal statement.  It's important to me to: a) be in position to make contributions to the soccer world, even if for free  b) not be accused of plagiarizing anything.

 

For each item in Thoughtful Soccer, the history is different and the odds that it exists elsewhere are different.  For example, I use 13 different shotsin practices.  One is a volley, which I learned under Graham Ramsey at my D course (and whom I credit with teaching me about the coachable moment style).  Obviously, I didn't invent that.  Another, though, is the Chipperoo shot, a chip over the keeper's head.  My design for practicing this shot is probably unique, because many players are shooting at the same time.

 

The Alligator River game, chipping over an open space, is a no-brainer.  I'm sure any coach with half a brain has tried something similar.  Air Control, on the the other hand, is probably unique as is Bomb's Away.

 

And Space Cowboy, a game for practicing the breakthrough part (passing through the offside line) seems so whacked out on first look that I'd be flabbergasted if anyone used it.  Yet it works.  I'd want to see it in writing.  Otherwise, I'd be tempted that someone was just saying that because Russ self-promoting and is therefore "free game" or whatever.

 

I could go on for each activity and each scrimmage.  I designed each of these using a particular formula, remember.  I wanted something that provided concentrated experience in a particular area, and allowed players to learn and improve through trial and error.  Space Cowboy's invention came very late in the game, and grew out of my theory that there is a separate breakthrough part.  I needed a way to root offside  lines in place so that players can continually break through them.  From that emerged Space Cowboy.

 

I would love to see other coaches using this same approach to invent what I call these High Impact Skill Activities.  They also tie in with multiple theme practices, because they take up so little practice time.

 

I understand the view that I'm self-promoting, and the perception that this means the rules of decent conduct can be suspended in my case.  If you all get together and make a rule that anyone who has written a soccer book should go elsewhere, I'll be glad to follow that rule as much as I would miss the dialogue.  It's helped me greatly in clarifying my own thought and in dealing with jerks   But I would hope you'd apply the rule equally to other people who might want to come here despite trying to write a book.  And I don't think this vigilante justice approach is really best for the forum.  Won't it make other people reluctant to say what they really believe, or to suggest new ideas, defenses, theories, and so on?

 

Keep in mind that if you allow someone here who has written a soccer book, the ideas they express are going to parallel the ideas in their book.  In my case, it's certainly true that you don't have to worry about me making much if any money as a result of participating here.  Approximately five years of my life were held captive to creating that book, through endless rewrites.  Had I been working at McDonald's for minimum wage, or picking pennies off the street, instead of writing that blasted book, I'd be in better shape financially.  I'd be lieing if I said I didn't hope that the book someday did as well as the contribution I believe it has made, but if that ever seems to be happening I'll warn you all and start my own website.

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" ...I understand the view that I'm self-promoting, and the perception that this means the rules of decent conduct can be suspended in my case.  If you all get together and make a rule that anyone who has written a soccer book should go elsewhere, I'll be glad to follow that rule as much as I would miss the dialogue.  It's helped me greatly in clarifying my own thought and in dealing with jerks   But I would hope you'd apply the rule equally to other people who might want to come here despite trying to write a book.  And I don't think this vigilante justice approach is really best for the forum.  Won't it make other people reluctant to say what they really believe, or to suggest new ideas, defenses, theories, and so on?

 

Keep in mind that if you allow someone here who has written a soccer book, the ideas they express are going to parallel the ideas in their book.  In my case, it's certainly true that you don't have to worry about me making much if any money as a result of participating here.  Approximately five years of my life were held captive to creating that book, through endless rewrites.  Had I been working at McDonald's for minimum wage, or picking pennies off the street, instead of writing that blasted book, I'd be in better shape financially.  I'd be lieing if I said I didn't hope that the book someday did as well as the contribution I believe it has made, but if that ever seems to be happening I'll warn you all and start my own website."

 

WOW!!!....Are we seeing the great Russendo, the magician who thinks he's the Chris Angel of the coaching world, succumb to the inevitable truth OR is this ANOTHER smokescreen.

 

First, I DONT remember ANYONE on this forum (including ME by the way) who HAS written books on soccer AND other topics, promote their tomes in such a condescending and self deluding way.

 

Its your life Russ, but I feel that you have approached this time of your life in such wrong way that its kind of overwhelmed you, this level of antagonism and critique that has been heaped upon.

 

The reasons are blatantly obvious though:

 

1. You unashamedly self promoted your books (and their philosophys) on this forum WITHOUT seeking permission from the site administrator

 

2. You have repeatedly tried to dissmiss ANY coach who asks SIMPLE questions that require the minimal of answer, by flannel, bluff, sidetracking, in fact ANYTHING rather than ANSWER the damn questions.

 

3. Instead of asking for more experienced coaches to divulge some of their tips on IMPROVING your work, you have tried (and failed ) to win the argument in favor of your principles.

 

 

Do you know what the SADDEST part is:

There may well have been DIAMONDS in your work which may have been discovered, but all we see at the moment is a lot of PYRITE ( look that up Russ).

 

ANY coach that has the bare faced cheek to pass off work completed by others AS there OWN by changing the name or moving a cone etc has REAL problems with their own principles.

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