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Russ in his book "Thoughtful Soccer" introduces to coaches a lot of fun cartoon pictures and many games.  Each game designed to teach a specific skill.  Rather than change the topic of the T3 thread,  I have started a new one based upon the claim Russ made that...   "I mention Run the Gauntlet, Ride the Bronco, and Space Cowboy as activities I've invented which could be very valuable to new coaches."  Perhaps you can help us out here Russ and cut and paste from your manuscript.  But I will start by describing "Run the Gauntlet".  Is this a Russ original?  Or just a cute name for an old game?

 

Run the Gauntlet - The setup is essentially 5 boxes stacked on top of each other.  Put a defender inside the 2nd and 4th box and can only defend in their box.  Attackers will dribble one at a time and score a point each time they get through a defenders box. 

 

 

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Russ in his book "Thoughtful Soccer" introduces to coaches a lot of fun cartoon pictures and many games.  Each game designed to teach a specific skill.  Rather than change the topic of the T3 thread,  I have started a new one based upon the claim Russ made that...   "I mention Run the Gauntlet, Ride the Bronco, and Space Cowboy as activities I've invented which could be very valuable to new coaches."  Perhaps you can help us out here Russ and cut and paste from your manuscript.  But I will start by describing "Run the Gauntlet".  Is this a Russ original?  Or just a cute name for an old game?

 

Run the Gauntlet - The setup is essentially 5 boxes stacked on top of each other.  Put a defender inside the 2nd and 4th box and can only defend in their box.  Attackers will dribble one at a time and score a point each time they get through a defenders box. 

 

 

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I have been doing this one or variation of since I was kid.

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I learned this game back in the 80's as "Channel of Doom".  A lot of times, people working on their own will come up with something, not realizing that it's been around for quite some time.  I came up with a "bombardment" type drill for my goalkeepers, and later discovered it in a training journal by Dan Gaspar in which he called it "Portuguese Man 'O War".


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I learned this game back in the 80's as "Channel of Doom".  A lot of times, people working on their own will come up with something, not realizing that it's been around for quite some time.  I came up with a "bombardment" type drill for my goalkeepers, and later discovered it in a training journal by Dan Gaspar in which he called it "Portuguese Man 'O War".

I think that is often the situation, as it might be here...  for example Russ has a game called Alligator River in his book that was one of the very first games I taught to rec players 15 years ago... although I think we called it pirates something?  This is the one where players try to chip across the river.  You score by chpping across.  Balls that land in the river are apparently eaten by alligators.

 

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With U-youngs,  I called it Star Wars.  Each Jedi pilot (dribbler) became Luke Skywalker,  each defender was an enemy fighter,  and I was usually the last defender (Darth Vader) complete with heavy muffled breathing and suggestions of impending doom.  I have no idea if I invented it,  borrowed it,  or a little of both.  Doesn't really matter.

 

I think the "bash Russ" theme on this forum has gone WAY too far.  Am I the only one who has grown really tired of it?

 

AM.


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Ride the Bronco-  The setup is a big circle with the team divided into two groups... the dribblers and the defenders.  At the coaches signal, the first player will dribble into the circle and the first defender will try to either kick the ball out or win the ball and put two touches on it.  That stops the clock.  After all players have gone they switch roles.  The team with the best cumulative time wins.  Apparently, after 20 seconds the coach can allow a second "bronco" to help out to win the ball or kick out of bounds.

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Lets blow the MYTH out of the water...

 

"ALL DRILLS, ROUTINES & SMALL SIDED GAMES HAVE ALREADY BEEN TRIED. ALL THAT HAPPENS IS THAT A COACH WILL ADAPT/ALTER/ADD TO/TAKE AWAY FROM AND THEN CALL IT THEIR OWN."

 

The BIG problem with Russ is that he's making MONEY by claiming that HIS drills etc are HIS - that he THOUGHT them up. NO HE DIDNT, he used ANOTHER coach's drill/routine/philosophy, CHANGED the description names and then had the bare faced audacity to claim it as his own Intellectual Property.

 

There is a universal word for this - SCAM (Soccer Cheats And Misrepresentaion)

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I think the "bash Russ" theme on this forum has gone WAY too far.  Am I the only one who has grown really tired of it?

 

AM.

Perhaps this seems mean spirited, but it is really not.  Russ keeps this discussion alive at his own will and even prompts it with his writings.  I'm sure some of it he doesn't like... he may not even like me taking issue with his new claim to be the originator of these games.  But nobody should be able to make a claim like that without a discussion/debate on the issue.  

 

For example, I posted a practice plan I used recently for another poster... but I did not give reference to where it came from.  But in my defense, I also did not take claim for the activities.  But I was caught by another poster who recognized it from a Dutch book.  Funny thing, however... the author of that book was stealing them from an Ajax coach The difference here is that I simply acknowledged that the poster was right and we moved on. 

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I have used variations of this with different names.


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Coachkev-  You may be right that all drills/activities have been tried.  I design a lot of drills based upon what I want to accomplish in practice.  For example, the NSEW drill I have posted on this forum (with copyright name and royalties going to WillieB.  I never get a dime) was influenced by a game called Sentry Soccer.   But the changes are significant that it does not resemble the original game at all.  Has somebody else invented it as well?  Perhaps.  

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The BIG problem with Russ is that he's making MONEY

 

I highly doubt Russ is making money on this book.  If you've ever been involved in getting a book published,  you'd realize there are significant costs.  Most books are money LOSING propositions.  Perhaps Russ would be willing to share his book-publishing experience so all could become more educated in the real-world finances of such an endeavor.

 

Whether I agree with any of his ideas or not,  I admire his success in publishing a book.  It's not a simple (or inexpensive) undertaking.

 

So,  if we can dispel as a myth this "BIG problem" of Russ "making MONEY",  then can we cease filling this forum with Russ bashing?

 

AM. 


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This is just another version of a zone dribbling/defending game that I've been doing since I started coaching in the mid 90's. I've seen it with lots of different names, same basic thing.

 

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"I think the "bash Russ" theme on this forum has gone WAY too far.  Am I the only one who has grown really tired of it?"

 

 

No, you're not. It's gotten ridiculous. I still glance for a little amusement, but for the most part don't even bother with it any more. It's just the same arguments that keep going around and around. The thing I get a kick out of is the people who seem to think they are going to either get through to Russ or are going to win an argument with him. Neither are going to happen, so why people keep trying I don't know. The whole thing is beyond stupid. I come to this forum mostly because I am after anything I can grab onto to make me a better coaching. I've got 2 girls sides that I am coaching right now and I'm trying to give them my best, so I'm looking for anything to help improve that.

 

CB, no offense by what I just said, OK? It's not directed at you. I am curious though - why this sudden interest in posting about Russ?


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My bad Bob.  Although I would probably post the same if you claimed to be the inventor of all these games, I agree it appears I have stepped over the line and became an unofficial Russ basher.  Point made and I will move on.  My apologies Russ.  But it was an intriging topic none-the-less.

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CB, I welcome this thread.  Since I can remember the precise moment for each activity, when I began using it, and the writing of the rules, it's a bit upsetting when someone claims I've deliberately stolen something and claimed it as my own.  Since many of the activities are so simple and obvious, it wouldn't surprise me if someone in the world hadn't done something similar.  I would be flabbergasted, though, if you can provide me with any of the activities that are extremely close in design and rules.

 

Take Run the Gauntlet.  There are of course many activities where one player must dribble past another.  The key design features that probably exist nowhere else are:

 

1) Restricting defenders to narrow "defensive zones"

2) Having a neutral area in between these zones

3) Having two defenders to get past

4) Having the course such that the line can return from the other side

 

Keep in mind that anyone can say, "I've been doing that for years."  I'd be particularly interested in someone who has seen the activity written down somewhere that predates my book.  If that exists, I must document this in the next edition.

 

I'll be back later to add.  Must go on a brief trip.

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Russ - Stop!

 

CB - No, man, it's fine - bash away. Please. I was just curious what seemed to have piqued your interest lately in posting about it, because I'm sure you've been following this for some time like a lot of us have. No big deal.


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The BIG problem with Russ is that he's making MONEY

 

I highly doubt Russ is making money on this book.  If you've ever been involved in getting a book published,  you'd realize there are significant costs.  Most books are money LOSING propositions.  Perhaps Russ would be willing to share his book-publishing experience so all could become more educated in the real-world finances of such an endeavor.

 

Whether I agree with any of his ideas or not,  I admire his success in publishing a book.  It's not a simple (or inexpensive) undertaking.

 

So,  if we can dispel as a myth this "BIG problem" of Russ "making MONEY",  then can we cease filling this forum with Russ bashing?

 

AM. 

As I have already stated (if you care to look) that having had 3 books published (one NOT Soccer related), I am well aware of the financial aspects. This is why I stated the above. Russ KNOWS what I am on about, he's not stupid, its just that he keeps playing these psychological cathargic enema's of his that borders on meglomania.

 

AM, I applaud you for standing by Russ in his HOURS of need, but I have to warn you, he is just using you, like he's using all of us. His personality defects are such that he actually ENJOYS the attention that his notoriety and inaneness attracts.

 

Its actually like a Compulsive Disorder where he CANNOT resist keeping a thread going to see what insults have been thrown at him.

 

The ONLY reason I will respond to his ramblings and mental ping pong is when he tries to influence new coaches that his 'thought's are HIS and that they are RIGHT because HE says so. NO I am NOT having that.

 

He hasnt earned the RIGHT to dismiss decades of experience from coaches who will have forgotten more than he knows.

 

AM,

You choose to carry on defending Russ, its YOUR time HE's wasting.

However, IF Russ is prepared to accept that his conduct should NEVER compromise the integrity of experienced coaches AND FINALLY concede that his Phallic Triangle Three defense is nothing more than an experiment that was proven unworkable, THEN maybe there might be progress.

 

I wont hold my breath though.

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russ, something doesn't have to be written down for it to be in existence. i remember doing that drill exactly how you describe it, when i was 14. we also had the variation of 2 teams competing with each other, with the 2/3 defenders switching for every attacker. we also varied it by having the attacker become the end defender, the 1st defender going to the end of the line, and the other defender(s) moving up one space.

 

yes, you independently came up with the game with no prior experience of it.

 

yes, you gave it a catchy name

 

yes, it is a VERY effective game

 

but you didn't INVENT it, it already existed.

 

i'm not really into russ-bashing, but i think you should realize that in instances like these, rather than try to be an "originator", you should say - "LOOK! i DO think like all the good coaches"

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Russ - Stop!

 

CB - No, man, it's fine - bash away. Please. I was just curious what seemed to have piqued your interest lately in posting about it, because I'm sure you've been following this for some time like a lot of us have. No big deal.

  Somehow I knew what Russ's reply might be... I'm almost on the floor laughing right now.  I try not to attack Russ personally on this forum, but limit my discussions to something he has said or proposed.  I think that should be fair game for discussion.  At the same time, I don't want to be one who appears to be a Russ basher.  I think Russ actually enjoys our discussions as they are more topic related.  Unfortunately, I just can't seem to get past some basic understandings so we can get into the really interesting deeper related stuff.  It's like we are stuck and can't get past the USSF E license in order to move up to more deteailed stuff in the D and C.

 

 

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If the man made money with his writings then he is ahead of the game. I buy water from people who didn't invent it.


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The thing I get a kick out of is the people who seem to think they are going to either get through to Russ or are going to win an argument with him. Neither are going to happen, so why people keep trying I don't know. ...

 

Last night my wife asked, "What are you typing?"  I answered, I'm having an online argument, then explained a little about it, followed by, "I like to argue.".  She said, "Really, after 19 years, I had no idea!"  She was smiling when she said it.  But not in a simpering fashion.  Or maybe it was.

 

Re the general idea of "Bash Russ":  I don't like to see posts that boil down to, "You suck, Russ".    I also don't like to see threads get diverted into TT discussions, but I think that topics which are clearly labeled as such, often started by "thoughsoc" are fair game.  People who are sick of them and want to avoid them can do so easily.

 

This particular topic is valid, IMO.  Russ made a claim that he invented these drills and that claim is being discussed.  Personally I think it is ridculous to claim that Russ is overtly stealing things and taking credit for the ideas of others, or that he is getting rich doing so.  IMO, he comes up with new names and adds some new wrinkles, then considers the new variant his invention.  Is this wrong?  I think this topic shows that very similar drills have been used prior to Russ' invention of his variants, but cannot show that he "stole" them.

 

Anyone who really objects should the avoid the topic.

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