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Vin

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Here are 2 versions of the new site design, ignore the logo's and site names for USA Soccer Forum.  

Let me know what you guys think of the new designs, what would you change, what would you like to see, anything else?

I really like this design and im working on developing a soccer version of it: 

http://pointguardu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Here are the 2 renditions we have so far:

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Vin, no disrespects and I know you cannot do without them but the BIG deal with the original and-again site was its LACK of bells and whistles AND the goddam awful Ads being stuffed down your throat from all sides.

So for me.....sorry, rather go without than become a Christmas Tree Bauble watcher

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Vin, no disrespects and I know you cannot do without them but the BIG deal with the original and-again site was its LACK of bells and whistles AND the goddam awful Ads being stuffed down your throat from all sides.

So for me.....sorry, rather go without than become a Christmas Tree Bauble watcher



Yes I know and thanks for being honest.  As you know we need to change the back-end software and one of the perks is "making the site more modern".  I get it, you like it plain and simple.

The mock ups posted here are just for us to start some discussions and to get feed back from everyone.  I am hoping to build a more flexible back end (for me to manage) and also keep a nice site design. 

What about the design of the old USA Soccer Forum?  That's pretty basic and we can design something similar for the new site. 

Here is the old site http://www.usasoccerforum.com

Keep the comments coming 


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Another idea is to build a design with the same clean look and feel of http://www.mlssoccer.com/  I'm thinking we could use the logos of the various leagues from around the world, similar to how they have the MLS team logos.  

It would be a nice clean look without overcrowding of information and ad's 


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Vin, no disrespects and I know you cannot do without them but the BIG deal with the original and-again site was its LACK of bells and whistles AND the goddam awful Ads being stuffed down your throat from all sides.

So for me.....sorry, rather go without than become a Christmas Tree Bauble watcher



Jeez, Kev.  Are you still driving that '73 Austin Allegro, too?

The first of the mock-ups seems mostly like a remodel of the existing forum.  Essentially the same information.  

The top line has some potential.  "Articles" for the most part are probably best made into forum topics, but could be a place for forum members to post longer works they might not be able to publish elsewhere.  "Blogs" (esp of the sort found at http://www.thetalentcode.com) could be a good way to drive some traffic to the forum.  Ditto a "poll" feature, if for no other reason than to keep Mr. Martin involved.  Add "tags" as an adjunct to the "archive" feature, and it would be a pretty good upgrade.

As to ads, adblocker takes care of most of that on my computer.  And remember that Greg has had some fixed ads over the years.

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I've been involved in dozens of website redesigns for work. You DON'T want to open it up to design by committee—best to stick with a vision then make adjustments to functionality and look after users have had a year or two with the site. A website isn't a fixed object, it can continually evolve so just take advantage of that. 

The main problem I have with and again is the mobile usability, and overall, posting images to message boards from mobile devices. 

A robust chat function would be nice as well. 
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Vin,

I registered for usasoccerforum but cannot reply or post. I emailed someone(you?) but have yet to hear back.
Same name as I am using here.

Please advise.

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Vin,

I registered for usasoccerforum but cannot reply or post. I emailed someone(you?) but have yet to hear back.
Same name as I am using here.

Please advise.


Your account was waiting on email confirmation.  Try to logon again, if you can get it, double check to make sure your email is correct.

Let me know if you can or cannot login 

Vin 


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I've been involved in dozens of website redesigns for work. You DON'T want to open it up to design by committee—best to stick with a vision then make adjustments to functionality and look after users have had a year or two with the site. A website isn't a fixed object, it can continually evolve so just take advantage of that. 

The main problem I have with and again is the mobile usability, and overall, posting images to message boards from mobile devices. 

A robust chat function would be nice as well. 


Yes however, I do enjoy getting feedback from site members, it allows me to get insight that I would lose if I didn't ask, for example, keeping the And-Again name.


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Here is another ROUGH rendition, ignore the text and links, they are for illustration purposes only.  This one is rather clean and achieves what I am looking for. 

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Vin, you could add "The ORIGINAL And-Again Forum" to make it  'Welcome to the ORIGINAL and-again soccer forum'

Then a brief review of why and how it has now become part of the new site.

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Vin, you could add "The ORIGINAL And-Again Forum" to make it  'Welcome to the ORIGINAL and-again soccer forum'

Then a brief review of why and how it has now become part of the new site.



I like it, that's a great idea!    

Thanks Coachkev 


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How about "Famous Original ..."  (That one's for you, Mr. S.)
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OT, please don't encourage him [biggrin]

Next you'll be asking for the Masons Logo

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Vin,

I registered for usasoccerforum but cannot reply or post. I emailed someone(you?) but have yet to hear back.
Same name as I am using here.

Please advise.


Your account was waiting on email confirmation.  Try to logon again, if you can get it, double check to make sure your email is correct.

Let me know if you can or cannot login 

Vin 




All good now.

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Vin,

I registered for usasoccerforum but cannot reply or post. I emailed someone(you?) but have yet to hear back.
Same name as I am using here.

Please advise.


Your account was waiting on email confirmation.  Try to logon again, if you can get it, double check to make sure your email is correct.

Let me know if you can or cannot login 

Vin 




All good now.


Great!  
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I'm with Oldtimer. I lobbied Greg a few times to get this forum software up-to-date (that date being, oh, about 2007 or so). Features like "go to last unread post", a search function that actually worked, layout that didn't go all wonky. He never felt is was worth the effort. And, and web designer myself, I understand how much effort it takes. The copyright at the bottom of this forum says "2004" and it looks it. It's a web site, not a historic monument. People bitched about moving off the PVV forum as well at the time.

TBH, I think it's amazing and gratifying that the old And-Again content will be preserved. Technically, that's no mean feat, especially since this forum is some kind of non-standard software and I have no idea what the back end looks like.

Aesthetically, I like the first mock-up better, but again speaking as a web designer, Goal150 is right that design by committee rarely works. Just get modern, user-friendly forum software under it, please!

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benji,
Greg's success was that he DIDNT upgrade to the latest 'trend'.
Think of it as sitting in a room with 2 doors. One leads to A, the other leads to B. You still have the choice and its a simple process.
However, sitting in a room with 10 doors all leading to 4 more doors and they in turn leading to 2 doors you will soon not even bother to open the FIRST door.

A web site has to 'engage' just as a coach must do with their players.

I've often used the ADIDAS principle when assessing a site regardless of it's 'product'

A = AWARENESS - Does it attract me to the site?
D = DEMAND - Does it Demand my Attention?
I  = INTEREST - Does it focus on what interests ME?
D = DESIRE - Does it convince me that I want whats on offer?
A = ACTION - Does it direct me to what I must do next?
S = SATISFY - Does it SATISFY a need?

When you have all these involved within the viewers first 10 seconds then you will retain their engagement
I'm personally not seeing it in the latest incarnation offered.
The old site is like a grandad....stubborn, simple, awkward, but a minefield of wonderful insights and stories.
You know what you're getting and love them for being that straight forward. I ask a simple question and I get one back.

The new site appears from the outset like a 'Cousin Vinny', who has 'come' into a load of money and wants to change everything just because he 'CAN'.
Wanting to ask a question now I have to manouevere from one element to another hoping I havent gone to the wrong place to begin with....have I posted to the right thread?....who posted THAT?...was that for ME?

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The old site is like a grandad....stubborn, simple, awkward, but a minefield of wonderful insights and stories. 



Until they die.

The elephant in the room is that participation in this forum appears to be way down, and declining.  

A new look and some new features might drive some new traffic.  Go for it Vin. 


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Kev, quit acting your age. [wink] You might like your old Reliant Robin, but everyone on the street laughs at it as you go past. And once you get in a modern car--with air conditioning, heated seats, power steering, navigation, and four wheels--you might realize what you're missing.

We actually have a unique opportunity to take that reliable old engine--us, the contributors to the forum--and put it in a shiny, modern chassis with all the amenities.

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